Wednesday 25th May 2016,
The Hoop Doctors

MJ vs Kobe: Who’s The Greatest?

This is a debate that’s been going on for ages and we’re by no means going to make a decision for you. Instead, we’re going to give you all the facts and let you make the final decision in our comments!

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  • Prince James

    Um… I think Kobe has 5 Champions now right?

    • Anklesnap

      @Prince James, Good eye, the first version up didn’t have championships or finals MVPs entered right. In the process of updating it….sorry not an intentional slight on Kobe. He earned ’em!

      A.

    • Chadillac86

      no only 4

      • kc

        lol ur stupid

  • sen

    There should be NO contest who is the greater among the 2, Jordan is unquestionably superior than kobe in all aspects and achievements. We just live in a generation where the 18-25 y/o in their active minds are comparing the two because they obviously don’t know Jordan’s achievements during his time, which our new generation sadly missed.

    I am so glad and blessed to have beheld his greatness, his story is singular.

    • Rick

      Most 20-25 year olds grew up during the Jordan era are are actually most likely his biggest fans. The only people that say Kobe is better are Laker fans.

      • Ammiller5421

        i hate the lakers, but i can say any number of players in the league today is better than jordan… hell jason richardson has more skills wearing number 23

        • Kris

          your an idiot dont ever talk about basketball again

        • Abernt

          Ammiller5421,  You my friend, are a TOOL!!!  MJ is the better player by far.  And, he didn’t have to rape a girls ass in CO.

        • Abernt

          Ammiller5421,  You my friend, are a TOOL!!!  MJ is the better player by far.  And, he didn’t have to rape a girls ass in CO.

        • Are you Kidding me?

          ya thats a really smart comment buddy

        • AMmiller is retarded

          @Ammiller5421 Everyone hates you cuz ur a dumbass.. how does it feel to
          have possibly said the dumbest comment in the history of earth?

        • Mr Caruso17

          douchiest comment of the day

        • Get Real Dude

          it amazes me how ignorant this guy is…jordan is clearly the better player on paper, and defintely on the court.

        • HoopFan

          JAJAAAJ WOW… go player soccer retard…

      • Ammiller5421

        i hate the lakers, but i can say any number of players in the league today is better than jordan… hell jason richardson has more skills wearing number 23

    • dnrm107

      no question Jordan outranks Kobe. I’m a Laker fan and I can 100% admit that. Now someone needs to make one of these comparisons between Lebron and Jordan seeing that now that he might get his first championship everyone is starting to declare him the best of all time

    • dnrm107

      no question Jordan outranks Kobe. I’m a Laker fan and I can 100% admit that. Now someone needs to make one of these comparisons between Lebron and Jordan seeing that now that he might get his first championship everyone is starting to declare him the best of all time

      • Abernt

        well it looks like he didn’t get his ring..    Which I see as karma biting him in the ass…LOL  Lebron is a chump.  He’s a great player, but not a team player or leader.   I hope he never gets his big mits on the NBA championship

      • Abernt

        well it looks like he didn’t get his ring..    Which I see as karma biting him in the ass…LOL  Lebron is a chump.  He’s a great player, but not a team player or leader.   I hope he never gets his big mits on the NBA championship

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  • Laney

    MJ, his airness for the win!!!

  • Prince James

    Kobe is the modern day MJ, but is he better than his predecessor? The numbers speak for themselves. Hands down, Jordan.

    • Ammiller5421

      the numbers are skewed. jordan had better defense behind him and better players to deflect perimeter defense.

      i agree, jordan was greater. just not because of the numbers. its because of his leadership.

      • Abernt

        well, well, it looks like Ammiller has had a change of heart from his previous post…..” hate the lakers, but i can say any number of players in the league today is better than jordan… hell jason richardson has more skills wearing number 23″….. I won’t change my post….YOUR STILL A TOOL!!  stop talking about basketball, you just sound like an idiot!

      • theoneandonlyMJ23

        u said kobe was better earlier…??????

    • Ammiller5421

      the numbers are skewed. jordan had better defense behind him and better players to deflect perimeter defense.

      i agree, jordan was greater. just not because of the numbers. its because of his leadership.

    • —–R—–

      The sequel is never as good as the original… except in a few rare cases, this isn’t one of them!

  • RTG

    First of all folks, let me say that in my opinion this shouldn’t even be needed if you watched Michael Jordan’s career and have seen Kobe’s so far. Jordan was by far more consistently dominant and effective, that it’s really a true insult that this is needed. Thank the media and certain Kobe fans for this breakdown though, I hope you enjoy, this took a lot of time….

    When you combine the playoffs and regular season, Michael Jordan played in 1,251 games, Kobe Bryant has played in 1,219. Let’s see if Kobe has even come close to accomplishing what Michael Jordan accomplished…..

    You can’t deny facts folks, don’t even try….

    Rookie of the Year
    Michael Jordan: Yes
    Kobe Bryant: No
    In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals.
    All-Rookie First Team
    Michael Jordan: Yes
    Kobe Bryant: No
    Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 12 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 32
    Kobe Bryant: 19

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 10 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 87
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 5 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 663
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with less than 3 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 179
    Kobe Bryant: 261

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with less than 2 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 61
    Kobe Bryant: 142

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 0 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 7
    Kobe Bryant: 57

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with at least 15 rebounds:
    Michael Air Jordan: 10
    Kobe Bryant: 5

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with at least 12 rebounds:
    Michael Air Jordan: 66
    Kobe Bryant: 29

    Percentage of points scored on free throws:
    Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
    Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

    Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
    Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
    Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

    Seasons with at least 200 steals:
    Michael Air Jordan: 6
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Seasons with at least 150 steals:
    Michael Air Jordan: 9
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
    Michael Air Jordan: 2
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
    Michael Air Jordan: 4
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Defensive Player of the Year awards
    Michael Jordan: 1
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league’s best defender.

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    40 point or higher games
    MJ: 211
    Kobe: 115

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    30 point or higher games
    MJ: 671
    Kobe: 415

    Career Player Efficiency Rating
    Michael Jordan: 27.91
    Kobe Bryant: 23.50

    Olympic Gold Medals
    Michael Jordan: 2
    Kobe Bryant: 1

    Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

    All Star Game:
    Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997.

    Scoring titles
    Michael Jordan: 10
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

    Steals titles
    Michael Jordan: 3
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

    Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to achieve it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

    Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

    In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.
    Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.

    Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.

    Michael Jordan game winning shot attempts was 33 out of 58, which is a 56.9% shooting percentage, while Kobe has attempted more game winners, and 82 games’s website has a lest strict criteria, according to the facts, Kobe is a 27% career shooter in game winning situations.

    Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.

    Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
    Michael Jordan is. He’s #80 in assists per game and #35 in assists.

    Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).

    Michael Jordan is #3 all time in steals per game, Kobe is #37 all time in steals per game.
    Michael Jordan is #2 all time in total steals, Kobe Bryant is #28 all time in total steals.
    Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard. Kobe Bryant isn’t even in the top 10 all time blocks by a guard.

    Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
    Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.

    Seasons over 30 points per game:
    Michael Jordan: 8
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Seasons over 32 points per game:
    Michael Jordan: 5
    Kobe Bryant: 1

    In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

    Kobe Bryant also has:
    2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
    2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
    Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

    Regular season
    Seasons under 50% shooting
    Kobe Bryant: 14
    Michael Jordan: 9

    Seasons under 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 14
    Michael Jordan: 5

    Seasons over 50% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Michael Jordan: 6

    Seasons over 52% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Michael Jordan: 4

    Regular season
    Games with under 50% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 489
    Kobe Bryant: 623

    Regular season
    Games with under 48% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 458
    Kobe Bryant: 599

    Regular season
    Games with under 46% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 388
    Kobe Bryant: 530

    Regular season
    Games with under 44% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 296
    Kobe Bryant: 452

    Regular season
    Games with under 42% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 234
    Kobe Bryant: 393

    Regular season
    Games with under 40% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 158
    Kobe Bryant: 317

    Regular season
    Games with under 35% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 88
    Kobe Bryant: 192

    Regular season
    Games with under 30% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 41
    Kobe Bryant: 97

    Regular season
    Games with 60% or better shooting
    Michael “Air” Jordan: 173
    Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 123

    Regular season
    Games with 50% or better shooting
    Michael “Air” Jordan: 556
    Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 393

    Regular season
    Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
    MJ: 16
    Kobe: 3

    Regular season
    Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
    MJ: 3
    Kobe: 1

    Regular season
    Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
    MJ: 29
    Kobe: 43
    Yes, that’s right, almost half of Kobe’s 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.

    Regular season
    50 point games with under 50% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
    Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 24 games

    Regular season
    50 point games with under 45% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 0
    Kobe Bryant: 3

    NBA Playoffs
    50 point or higher games
    Kobe: 1
    MJ: 8

    NBA Playoffs
    40 point or higher games
    Kobe: 11
    MJ: 38

    NBA Playoffs
    30 point or higher games
    Kobe: 78
    MJ: 109

    NBA Playoff runs under 50% shooting:
    Kobe: 13 (every year)
    MJ: 8

    NBA Playoff runs over 50% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
    Michael Jordan: 5

    NBA Playoff runs under 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 12
    Michael Jordan: 6

    NBA Playoff runs over 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 1
    Michael Jordan: 7

    NBA Playoff runs under 46% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 9
    Michael Jordan: 3

    NBA Playoff runs under 44% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 6
    Michael Jordan: 2

    NBA Playoff runs over 30ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 4
    Michael Jordan: 12

    NBA Playoff runs over 32ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 2
    Michael Jordan: 8

    NBA Playoff runs over 34ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
    Michael Jordan: 7

    NBA Finals averages for their careers:
    Michael Jordan 33.6ppg 6.0reb 5.9ast 48.0%fg 36.8%3pt ?
    Kobe Bryant 25.3ppg 5.7reb 5.0ast 41.2%fg 31.3%3pt
    Pau Gasol 17.3ppg 10.4reb 3.2ast 1.7blk 52.8%fg
    Scottie Pippen 18.9ppg 8.3reb 5.9ast 40.9%fg 25.9%3pt
    Shaq (as a Laker) 33.6ppg 14.1reb 3.0ast 2.4blk 60.2%fg
    Kobe (with Shaq) 22.1ppg 5.2reb 4.6ast, 1.0blk 41.6%fg

    Kobe has been out performed by teammates in 5 out of his 7 NBA Finals appearances, Michael Jordan was never out performed by a teammate. Michael Jordan never had a teammate average over 20.0ppg in any NBA Finals who shot a higher percentage than him, Kobe’s had a teammate do this 4 times (Gasol doesn’t get enough shot attempts or it would be 7 times).

    Michael Jordan consistently raised his team’s level of play, while Kobe Bryant hinders his team’s level of play by consistently missing so many shots. Michael Jordan carried his team consistently, and on the flip side Kobe Bryant’s team carries him consistently.

    Record as team leader
    Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 300-224 (.573)

    Postseason as team leader
    Michael Air Jordan: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
    Kobe Bryant: Missed postseason 1 time in 6 seasons

    NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
    Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 tries
    Kobe Bryant: 2 in 7 tries

    As you can see, it would take Kobe 3 full careers to truly eclipse Michael Jordan. He’s so far off he has absolutely no chance to pass Michael Air Jordan whatsoever…

    • JP

      @RTG, brilliant breakdown which proves that only someone who didn’t see them both play could even think of putting 6 for 24 in the same sentence as MJ

      • Ammiller5421

        um bill russell was 6… he won 11 championships. hes a sentence above.

        • ammillerlikescock

          shut up ammiller..didnt someone already tell u to never talk basketball again..go play soccer pussy

    • OFK

      @RTG

      First Kobe is not going to win on the STAT department against Jordan. One of the reasons why Jordan had those kind of stats is because there wasn’t many good guards at his position, there wasn’t that many good players in the 90’s compared to this era, the people that guarded Jordan were mostly all short or they weren’t that good ! ( Starks,Ehlo,Hornacek,Russel,Wilkens,Marjele,) Just to name a few.
      When it comes down to it, Everyone is going to have their own opinion on who is better. When it comes to Jordan fans, they’re going to compare Stats or who has more rings or MVP’s….I say this, Kobe is more of a complete player than MJ. Kobe is a better ball handler, Way better shooter than MJ. If you watch videos on MJ on youtube, he don’t shoot the ball deep like kobe does! If you compare videos with MJ and Kobe. Mostly what MJ does is layups and dunks. There is some shots here and there but not as deep as Kobe. Also not as exciting !

      • new blackpathner

        @OFK, ……u say there were not many great 2 guards…heres list……

        clyde. drexler
        reggie miller
        mitch richmond
        joe dumars
        rolando blackmon
        thunder dan
        sean elliott
        latwell sprewell
        ron harper

        • Ammiller5421

          not all of these were 2 guards there bud.
          kobe also played against many of these, and had more success at his age (remember, he came in at 17)

          richmond was a pg
          elliott was a forward (he was at arizona and san antonio)
          latrell sprewell was also a forward.

          in fact, most of these players were 2 or 3 style. jordan was guarded by 1 or 2 style… watch the tapes.

        • Ammiller5421

          not all of these were 2 guards there bud.
          kobe also played against many of these, and had more success at his age (remember, he came in at 17)

          richmond was a pg
          elliott was a forward (he was at arizona and san antonio)
          latrell sprewell was also a forward.

          in fact, most of these players were 2 or 3 style. jordan was guarded by 1 or 2 style… watch the tapes.

      • Tarheelball

        @OFK,

        Um you clearly are showing that you have never watched, nor even looked into Jordan’s game. He is the reason people starting doing things like And 1 mixtapes, and paved the way for ankle breakers like AI to come in. His handles were off the charts. Now Kobe’s aren’t too shabby either, but to say that Kobe is better ball handler is just uniformed and wrong. And for your shooting argument… shooting percentages are a perfect way to compare players (especially guards)…and Jordan takes the cake on all of them.

        But the biggest problem with what you said….not that many good players in the 90’s?!?!?!?! The 90’s was a golden age for the NBA. Jordan can’t help that he was better then all of them. That is why he is known across the world as “the greatest of all time”. They coined the US Olympic team (the US’s best players) “The Dream Team”.

        and finally…..Jordan is not as exciting as Kobe……good lord son, you clearly are basing your opinions off one or two youtube videos and not off any real games. The man has a highlight reel that is probably only topped by nique. You were probably born in the late 90’s so you never had a chance to see MJ and I feel bad for you cuz it was truly something special. But holy crap son you are oh so ignorant

        • Ammiller5421

          no, the 90’s were not the golden age, dumbass.
          it was an in between age, 2000’s are the golden age.
          im amazed you bring up the dream team, a team of pros playing against players who wanted to be.

          please dude, learn the game before 1990. names like wilt, russell, abdul-jabbar, pistol pete, mikan… all these dudes greater than jordan.
          to say jordan inspired the and 1 mixed tapes is an extreme stretch. that would be iverson, or even pistol pete. i remember jordan trying to play point guard and failing miserably.

        • Ammiller5421

          no, the 90’s were not the golden age, dumbass.
          it was an in between age, 2000’s are the golden age.
          im amazed you bring up the dream team, a team of pros playing against players who wanted to be.

          please dude, learn the game before 1990. names like wilt, russell, abdul-jabbar, pistol pete, mikan… all these dudes greater than jordan.
          to say jordan inspired the and 1 mixed tapes is an extreme stretch. that would be iverson, or even pistol pete. i remember jordan trying to play point guard and failing miserably.

      • rayray6

        @OFK, Wow you are a complete moron!! Kobe could only wish to kiss Michael’s fuckin toes as he kneels before him to suck his much longer and experienced falice. you obviously were born in the 90’s and have no clue what u are talking about. naming a few minor players from the decade in which u were sucking from your mommas tits for milk. It’s obvious you have seen these names in becket magazines while looking up your older brothers old donruss or topps trading cards’ worth. Jordan shot lights out throughout his career….in the paint, 15-17 feet, 3 point and even fucking half and full court shots. Untill you know all of the facts , and unless you really got to watch the games of Jordan’s day SHUT YOUR DAMN FUCKING MOUTH!!! you have a lot to learn son!!! Kobe is NO Jordan!!! Now go ask your mom and pops for 30 dollars so u can purchase yourself some dvds of Jordan’s era. You will realize that Kobe is a flaming wannabe of the greatest player ever to play the game. Then you won’t state on public domain that Kobe is the most exciting player and embarrass yourself. Kids these days my god!!! KOBE BRYANT…THE MOST OVERRATED AND MEDIA PUSHED STAR OF THE NBA!!!

        • Wkjof

          He’s right. It’s JORDAN! Obviously no question……And don’t even try to act like your some nba scout/coach/expert and really know the game and can actually compare skills.

        • Ammiller5421

          yeah, compare skills…. what were jordans skills exactly?
          okay ball handler, kobe is excellent
          okay shooter (weak at 3 point shooting comparatively), kobe is a good shooter not great though
          good defender on a great defensive team, kobe good defender on an okay defensive team
          great in the clutch, kobe is also great in the clutch just not to the same level (he knows this and defers to the hot shooter, jordan did this too just not to the same level.), i’d say its about equal.
          jordan penetrated more, but i’d say skills about equal there.

          so JORDAN doesnt have the skills you think he does.
          go jerk it to a jordan poster, then pick up a book on the history of the nba.

        • Ammiller5421

          yeah, compare skills…. what were jordans skills exactly?
          okay ball handler, kobe is excellent
          okay shooter (weak at 3 point shooting comparatively), kobe is a good shooter not great though
          good defender on a great defensive team, kobe good defender on an okay defensive team
          great in the clutch, kobe is also great in the clutch just not to the same level (he knows this and defers to the hot shooter, jordan did this too just not to the same level.), i’d say its about equal.
          jordan penetrated more, but i’d say skills about equal there.

          so JORDAN doesnt have the skills you think he does.
          go jerk it to a jordan poster, then pick up a book on the history of the nba.

        • Ammiller5421

          yeah, compare skills…. what were jordans skills exactly?
          okay ball handler, kobe is excellent
          okay shooter (weak at 3 point shooting comparatively), kobe is a good shooter not great though
          good defender on a great defensive team, kobe good defender on an okay defensive team
          great in the clutch, kobe is also great in the clutch just not to the same level (he knows this and defers to the hot shooter, jordan did this too just not to the same level.), i’d say its about equal.
          jordan penetrated more, but i’d say skills about equal there.

          so JORDAN doesnt have the skills you think he does.
          go jerk it to a jordan poster, then pick up a book on the history of the nba.

        • jordan

           Kobe is so much better than Jordan. You have to factor in the level of difficulty when it comes to both of their in game shots. Also Jordan had teammates who warranted a lot of due attention because of their scoring abilities, which made life easier for Jordan. That bulls team was just perfect for a player like Jordan to flourish. Kobe had to play with Shaq, and as good a player as he was, he really bogged down the rhythm of the game. Also today’s game is much deeper.   

        • jordan

           Kobe is so much better than Jordan. You have to factor in the level of difficulty when it comes to both of their in game shots. Also Jordan had teammates who warranted a lot of due attention because of their scoring abilities, which made life easier for Jordan. That bulls team was just perfect for a player like Jordan to flourish. Kobe had to play with Shaq, and as good a player as he was, he really bogged down the rhythm of the game. Also today’s game is much deeper.   

        • Ammiller5421

          kobe is the most media pushed? not since he was accused of rape.
          jordan just paid the ladies off to protect his image, kobe fought the wrong.
          i commend him for standing up for his innocence.
          media includes advertising. jordan is and always has been pushed by advertising. thats the only reason he’s seen as the greatest, name recognition. bet you have very little knowledge of guys like pistol pete, dr. j, wilt chamberlain, and bill russell.

          you need to SHUT YOUR DAMN FUCKING MOUTH!!!

          quit sucking jordan’s dick and learn the game, retard. its funny how emotional yall weirdos get when anyone says anything against jordan. please quit jerking it to his dangling tongue and actually learn the history of the game.

          you seriously know NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL!!!!

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        • Ammiller5421

          kobe is the most media pushed? not since he was accused of rape.
          jordan just paid the ladies off to protect his image, kobe fought the wrong.
          i commend him for standing up for his innocence.
          media includes advertising. jordan is and always has been pushed by advertising. thats the only reason he’s seen as the greatest, name recognition. bet you have very little knowledge of guys like pistol pete, dr. j, wilt chamberlain, and bill russell.

          you need to SHUT YOUR DAMN FUCKING MOUTH!!!

          quit sucking jordan’s dick and learn the game, retard. its funny how emotional yall weirdos get when anyone says anything against jordan. please quit jerking it to his dangling tongue and actually learn the history of the game.

          you seriously know NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL!!!!

        • Ammiller5421

          kobe is the most media pushed? not since he was accused of rape.
          jordan just paid the ladies off to protect his image, kobe fought the wrong.
          i commend him for standing up for his innocence.
          media includes advertising. jordan is and always has been pushed by advertising. thats the only reason he’s seen as the greatest, name recognition. bet you have very little knowledge of guys like pistol pete, dr. j, wilt chamberlain, and bill russell.

          you need to SHUT YOUR DAMN FUCKING MOUTH!!!

          quit sucking jordan’s dick and learn the game, retard. its funny how emotional yall weirdos get when anyone says anything against jordan. please quit jerking it to his dangling tongue and actually learn the history of the game.

          you seriously know NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL!!!!

        • Ammiller5421

          kobe is the most media pushed? not since he was accused of rape.
          jordan just paid the ladies off to protect his image, kobe fought the wrong.
          i commend him for standing up for his innocence.
          media includes advertising. jordan is and always has been pushed by advertising. thats the only reason he’s seen as the greatest, name recognition. bet you have very little knowledge of guys like pistol pete, dr. j, wilt chamberlain, and bill russell.

          you need to SHUT YOUR DAMN FUCKING MOUTH!!!

          quit sucking jordan’s dick and learn the game, retard. its funny how emotional yall weirdos get when anyone says anything against jordan. please quit jerking it to his dangling tongue and actually learn the history of the game.

          you seriously know NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL!!!!

      • Alex711ander

        There weren’t as many good guards but the defensive rules such as hand checking that got changed after the 90’s allowed defenders to be much more physical than they could be now. Also there wasn’t a defensive 3 second rule so big men just camped in the lane making it harder to drive. So even if the players weren’t as “good” the rules definitely played against jordan.

    • Gerry Carey

      @RTG, if you are looking at numbers to determine who is a better basketball player then you are a true idiot. rookie of the year (one player was on a good team and one was on a horrible team. i wonder who even has a chance to win rookie of the year.) but wait, why don’t you have ANY three point shooting numbers on there. it might be because that doesn’t help you stupid numbers argument. watch them play because thats what matters. numbers can be manipulated to make anything look any way you want so stop wasting everyone’s time doing useless research. kobe is more talented then jordan very easily and jordan’s teams were better and the teams he was playing against were worse. use your time more wisely

      • @Gerry Carey,
        Even if we totaly forget the numbers, Jordan is a better player.
        And i agree, if someone was to just look at numbers for this they are an Idiot…. but from what i can tell this person doesnt just look at numbers,…. but numbers are part of it, so we cant dismiss them. you can only get these numbers by being a GREAT basketball player.

      • Guy

        @Gerry Carey, Ur an idiot kobe just jakes up long jump shots, jordan was so good he could get an inside high percentage shot whenever he wanted while kobe cant get to the rim for shit, btw jordan is far better than kobe at defense, kobe tries to accomplish what jordan did but will never even be close, Jordan also did not have the role players kobe does, Kobe has Gasol, Odem, and even Artest who always guards the best player on the other team… something jordan always did… this is dumb i even need to argue this, jordan is hands down the greatest of all time, kobe has had a great career but it doesnt even compare to what jordan accomplished while taking time to play baseball in his prime, just to let everyone know that he could play more than one sport

        • Ammiller5421

          jordan was so good he quit, twice. players forgot how to defend him. i watched jordan get absolutely owned by reggie miller in the eastern conference finals.

          and no jordan is not the greatest of all time stupid fucking shit
          bill russell had more championships
          abdul-jabbar had more points

          what exactly did jordan have that say dr. j didnt? well besides the championships

          shut the fuck up and watch tapes of other players. you know nothing of the history. ignorance in rampant in todays game. thats why lebron is so highly regarded.

          you, my simple minded compatriot are very ignorant of the years before jordan. believe it or not, there was a league before him. god youre dumb.

        • Guest

          Easy kid, you obviously just don’t like him for some reason if you don’t recognize his skills. I’ve seen some of the crap you’ve been saying and all I have to say is settle down, you’re coming off psychotic. Yes there was a league before him and yes there have been many greats. But the strong majority of fans agree Jordan was the greatest, and that is for many reasons. Grow up.

        • Guest

          Easy kid, you obviously just don’t like him for some reason if you don’t recognize his skills. I’ve seen some of the crap you’ve been saying and all I have to say is settle down, you’re coming off psychotic. Yes there was a league before him and yes there have been many greats. But the strong majority of fans agree Jordan was the greatest, and that is for many reasons. Grow up.

        • Guest

          Easy kid, you obviously just don’t like him for some reason if you don’t recognize his skills. I’ve seen some of the crap you’ve been saying and all I have to say is settle down, you’re coming off psychotic. Yes there was a league before him and yes there have been many greats. But the strong majority of fans agree Jordan was the greatest, and that is for many reasons. Grow up.

        • Guest

          Easy kid, you obviously just don’t like him for some reason if you don’t recognize his skills. I’ve seen some of the crap you’ve been saying and all I have to say is settle down, you’re coming off psychotic. Yes there was a league before him and yes there have been many greats. But the strong majority of fans agree Jordan was the greatest, and that is for many reasons. Grow up.

        • Guest

          Easy kid, you obviously just don’t like him for some reason if you don’t recognize his skills. I’ve seen some of the crap you’ve been saying and all I have to say is settle down, you’re coming off psychotic. Yes there was a league before him and yes there have been many greats. But the strong majority of fans agree Jordan was the greatest, and that is for many reasons. Grow up.

        • Guest

          Easy kid, you obviously just don’t like him for some reason if you don’t recognize his skills. I’ve seen some of the crap you’ve been saying and all I have to say is settle down, you’re coming off psychotic. Yes there was a league before him and yes there have been many greats. But the strong majority of fans agree Jordan was the greatest, and that is for many reasons. Grow up.

        • Ammiller5421

          jordan was so good he quit, twice. players forgot how to defend him. i watched jordan get absolutely owned by reggie miller in the eastern conference finals.

          and no jordan is not the greatest of all time stupid fucking shit
          bill russell had more championships
          abdul-jabbar had more points

          what exactly did jordan have that say dr. j didnt? well besides the championships

          shut the fuck up and watch tapes of other players. you know nothing of the history. ignorance in rampant in todays game. thats why lebron is so highly regarded.

          you, my simple minded compatriot are very ignorant of the years before jordan. believe it or not, there was a league before him. god youre dumb.

        • Ammiller5421

          jordan was so good he quit, twice. players forgot how to defend him. i watched jordan get absolutely owned by reggie miller in the eastern conference finals.

          and no jordan is not the greatest of all time stupid fucking shit
          bill russell had more championships
          abdul-jabbar had more points

          what exactly did jordan have that say dr. j didnt? well besides the championships

          shut the fuck up and watch tapes of other players. you know nothing of the history. ignorance in rampant in todays game. thats why lebron is so highly regarded.

          you, my simple minded compatriot are very ignorant of the years before jordan. believe it or not, there was a league before him. god youre dumb.

        • Ammiller5421

          jordan was so good he quit, twice. players forgot how to defend him. i watched jordan get absolutely owned by reggie miller in the eastern conference finals.

          and no jordan is not the greatest of all time stupid fucking shit
          bill russell had more championships
          abdul-jabbar had more points

          what exactly did jordan have that say dr. j didnt? well besides the championships

          shut the fuck up and watch tapes of other players. you know nothing of the history. ignorance in rampant in todays game. thats why lebron is so highly regarded.

          you, my simple minded compatriot are very ignorant of the years before jordan. believe it or not, there was a league before him. god youre dumb.

      • Kdsmith30

        There was also a new rule in the league now a days that Jordan didn’t have, and this rule protects guards from getting hit and hand checked when they drove into the lane. A lot of ESPN analysists try to speculate how much more Jordan could have scored per game. And Jordan’s players were better? Are we comparing Luc Longley to Pau Gasol or Tony Kucok to Lamar Odom? The ‘Hall of Famer’ many fans seem to look at for the Bulls is Pippen. But if you look at Pippen’s stats he only averaged 16 points and 6 rebounds a game, those are not Hall of Fame stats, the only reason he is in the hall of fame is because Jordan attracted so much attention and double teams that it made it that much easier for Pippen. I have a lot of trouble saying Kobe is better than Jordan buddy… Jordan averaged shooting over 50% on the bulls while Kobe has yet to do this once.. While Kobe is an amazing player and he is the Michael Jordan of today’s era.. he is still no where near the player MJ was, and believe me, there is a lot more proof for MJ than there is for Kobe.

    • KB24

      @RTG, Kobe has been dealing with nagging injuries his whole career, and gets fouled on just about every shot he takes. Kobe is a more skilled player than MJ, but MJ has more talent. Jumping ability and massive mitts made MJ so good at finishing around the rim and ball handling (Kobe has tiny little hands). But Kobe’s ability to pivot is his greatest advantage over MJ. And comparing numbers doesn’t do anything for this argument. I doubt MJ would have been completely dominating the league if he could just throw it down low to shaq every time for an easy 33 points a game..

      • @KB24, You mention Kobe gets fouled on every shot? You realize that the league is now focused more on letting offense go. MJ was mugged almost every time he got the ball and in his time they weren’t fouls. If some of the guys who covered MJ were playing now, they would foul out in 6 possessions. There are people who say if Jordan played now, he would have scored 100 points multiple times. Kobe is the best player of his era, but doesn’t compare to Jordan. Heck, I don’t know if Kobe is as good as Magic Johnson who played at the same time as Jordan.

        • Ammiller5421

          jordan also got away with traveling most every time we went to the basket. cut off jordan’s penetration, cut off his scoring.

          is jordan even as good as magic?
          magic played all 5 positions in a finals game.
          jordan couldnt even play 2.
          kobe can and does play 3.
          hell, even jason kidd plays 3.

          fouls are a moot point, its about equal.

          jordan would have never of scored 100 points in a game, the best he could do was 63% of that, kobe sored 81%.

          and jordan was never guarded by guys like durant and james. 2 freaks of nature.

          bottom line: kobe is an evolution of jordan. directly. kobe is better, but jordan raised the bar.

        • byrdman27

          pretty sure jordan could own kobe. since when does playing more positions make you a better scorer or defender? he had no reason to fill more roles on the court. kobe is not better, never will be. I give him credit on the three point shots but when it comes to clutch and true percentages, jordan wins out. He set the bar for the whole world of basketball. Has kobe changed the dynamics of the league? nope.. is he a great player? yes.. but! i wouldnt even place him top five of all time, much less number one. if you’re so sprung on great players of the past, you have to see that there was much more competition back then throughout the league, and several players i’d rank above kobe. MJ is GOAT!!

        • the_magic

          The argument isn’t if magic johnson was better than jordan. The question is ‘is Kobe Bryant better than Jordan’.  I’m gonna go with no, for 10,000 reasons that have already been stated.  I think arguing that magic was better than jordan would be more valid than this one, but I’m still going to go with MJ.

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    • bignasty

      about the only triple double in all star game history, Lebron did it this year

    • bignasty

      about the only triple double in all star game history, Lebron did it this year

    • bignasty

      about the only triple double in all star game history, Lebron did it this year

    • bignasty

      about the only triple double in all star game history, Lebron did it this year

    • Purple

      i think u have toooooo much time

    • Ammiller5421

      breaks from career:
      michael jordan: 2
      kobe:0

      jordan may have missed the playoffs while he was not playing. you cant use that stat. sorry…

      at age 17:
      jordan: hoped to get playing time when he went to college
      kobe: played in the nba

      jordan came out after 3 years in college, where he didnt average 30ppg. kobe had to learn on the job, while competing with the most dominant player of our time for stats. to properly compare the 2 you must keep that in mind.

      future hall of famers played with
      jordan: pippen and rodman
      kobe: shaq, and possibly others.

      fact is, kobe had more competition for mvp awards on his own team, much less the league. use stats that actually relate to today’s game. because by that standard, lebron should get some nods as the greatest and he just isnt. he could be, but he will never be.

      side note:
      bill russell won 11 of 12 championships, some as a player coach.
      jordan was not the greatest.

      drop the nostalgia of your pathetic childhood and teen years. jordan was great, he did impressive things but not any more impressive than others in the game.

      wilt scored 100 and regularly had over 20 rebounds, it wasnt odd to see him go over 30 rebounds. he was also the first globe trotter to have his number retired, that was after only 1 season with the team. jordan wouldnt have even made that team, and the closest he ever got to 100 was 63. kobe could have possibly made the globe trotters because he has every skill (range, paint, athleticism, defense), and he scored 81, thats 18 points closer than jordan got. actually closer than any other player.

      • jimm

        ridiculous… kobe has more athleticism, skills in the paint, and defensive skills than Jordan????? you must be trolling… you know nothing of basketball. Referring back to things youve mentioned, MJ has had a few sidelining injuries in his career so dont make excuses for kobe. Jordan left basketball because his father was murdered and his father loved baseball. It was to honor him. Its not like he was tired and needed a break… and kobe wouldnt have three of his rings without shaq on his team, so dont say shaq held him back.

    • lebron got a triple double in an All Star Game too…

  • sen

    Its is also worth knowing that during Jordan’s declining years of 40-41 he still averaged 21.5 points, 5.8 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 0.5 blocks and 1.5 steals per game while starting for his team only 60 plus times during the season. Compare this to kobe’s CAREER AVERAGE of 25.2 points, 5.3 rebounds, 4.6 assist 0.5 blocks and 1.5 steals and you will realize that Jordan’s skills during his declining years are still at par with kobe’s skills in his primal years.

  • sen

    Kudos to > RTG Man! Your really PUT an exclamation mark and a couple of periods in this debate. Now, only a retarded would try to say kobe is near the skill of JORDAN. Thanks for these comprehensive STATS.

    My hats off to you RTG..

    • RTG

      @sen, Thanks! My pleasure

  • It’s What I Said

    Well, Jordan didn’t rape anyone, so I’m gonna go with him.

    • Jackson

      @It’s What I Said, Oh so wrong, but yet so right!!

  • sen

    Now gauging the 2 outside the basketball court it is still Jordan, yeah that’s right – even if the rumored gambling spree of Jordan is true he does not HURT anybody, and he is spending his own money after all.

    As of Kobe even if the rumored RAPE is not true, just the mere fact of HIS detailed physical involvement in the scene is in itself UGLY.

    Choosing between GAMBLING and RAPE is a no-brain-er.

    • Ammiller5421

      yeah, jordan raped and used women as well
      what happened to his marriage

      its just jordan paid the women off, kobe fought.
      kobe had nothing to hide. it wasnt a rumor, he went to trial and was not convicted by the little money hungry slut.

      so in fact, you are a no brainer who knows nothing of which he speaks.

  • Guy R.

    KOBE IS BETTER THAN MICHAEL AND STATS WILL PROVE IT!

    Many people on this blog have used stats as a way to prove Michael Jordan is better than Kobe Bryant. The biggest mistake in comparing them that way is that you are comparing a man who came in the league at 21 to a kid who came in the league at 18. It is not fair to Kobe at all. Do not count Kobe’s career stats when he was 18 and 19 years old and coming off the bench and his stats are almost identical to Michael’s stats. I went and did the math.

    Kobe career stats(excluding 1996-1998 when he was 18,19)
    fg% 46%
    ft% 84%
    3p% 34%
    rebounds per game 5.8
    assists per game 5.2
    steals per game 1.7
    blocks per game 0.6
    points per game 27.6

    Jordan career stats
    fg% 50%
    ft% 84%
    3p% 33%
    rebounds per game 6.2
    assists per game 5.3
    steals per game 2.4
    blocks per game 0.8
    points per game 30.1

    The only significant difference is field goal percentage. Then you consider that Kobe takes more 3 point shoots than Michael did and that in itself lowers Kobe’s field goal percentage some. To me both Kobe’s and Michael’s stats are pretty much neck and neck.

    BUT WHAT MAKES KOBE BETTER THAN MICHAEL

    Comments have been made that Kobe takes more difficult shots than Jordan(ie. more jump shots).True! But that is what makes Kobe more dangerous. Kobe can drain a shot from any where on the court. Kobe has more of a variety of shots and is harder to cover than Jordan.A defender has to be in Kobe’s face at all times. Other players like Michael Jordan and Lebron James who are primarily deep post players, a defender only has to play them tough in the post area. Because Kobe is a better all around shooter and is harder to cover, Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan ever could. Notice that Odom’s and Gasol’s field goal percentages went up when playing with Kobe.

    Lamar Odom
    2003-2004 Miami fg% .430
    2004-2005 Lakers fg% .473

    Pau Gasol
    2007-2008 Memphis fg% .501
    2007-2008 Lakers fg% .589

    Jordan did not play in 1993-1994 but both Pippen’s and Grant’s field goal percentages did not go down when Jordan left but actually went up.

    Scottie Pippen
    1992-1993 Bulls(with Jordan) fg% .473
    1993-1994 Bulls (without Jordan) fg% .491

    Horace Grant
    1992-1993 Bulls(with Jordan) fg% .508
    1993-1994 Bulls(without Jordan) fg% .524

    KOBE IS BETTER THAN JORDAN!

    • RichmondBlues

      @Guy R.,
      Jordan is a deep post player? How old are you?

      “Kobe can drain a shot from any where on the court.”
      Are you in the fifth grade?

      *sigh*
      “A defender has to be in Kobe’s face at all times.”
      You think teams just let Jordan do whatever he wanted? FYI, Kobe’s 81 pt game had more to do with the Raptors defense really really really sucking than Kobe. David Robinson scored 72 in a game before…. must be better than Jordan. Wilt (you know who he is?) scored 100 pts, must be better than Jordan AND Kobe.

      • Ammiller5421

        sorry bud, youre dumb.
        looking at a shot chart, jordan would be considered a deep post player.

        why are you mentioning age?

        the team mates percentages are a good measure of value to a team.
         just shut up.

    • john jones

      @Guy R.,

      I would have to strongly disagree, Guy .R. You just made one of the most erroneous statements of all times! You said ” players like MJ and Lebron are primarily deep post players, a player only has to play them tough in the post area.” That’s not true about LeBron, and DEFINITELY not true about Jordan. You obviously never saw Jordan play. When the game was on the line, he could hit from ANYWHERE, even goal-to-goal! He broke the 3-point Finals record for a half, with 6. It has since been broken. He scored 69 points in a game against the Cavaliers. Michael was the most creative scorer ever. He looked like he was walking on air. Kobe cannot create the aerial, spontaneous shots that Jordan did. And Kobe has choked in the Finals. Jordan NEVER

      • Ammiller5421

        blah blah blah… another person sucking jordans dick. man he did a media wonder!!!

        when did kobe choke in the finals?

        jordan choked out of the league twice. admitted twice he couldnt hack it. kobe hasnt.

    • dnice81

      @Guy R., I got to start with since your subtracting years did you subtract jordans yrs when he was 40,41 to get his true stats? Of course not and what jordan did in his rookie yr kobe still hasn’t achieved 28plus a game while averaging over 8 assists 6 or 7 rebounds as well a block couple steals a game nah mean. And to rub it in a little really just think about nobody even gave kobe a nickname who gives themself a nickname at 29 seriously! Air jordan magic larry the legend the dream shaq diesel the truth king james nicknames are given by people who respect u and how u do it. Nobody repected him enough (shaq,fisher,any laker period) or how he does it to nickname him. He s peers call him by names like jacker,snitch,fake mike. So he had to name himself after watching kill bill was like yeah I don’t like what the other guys call me so from now on I’m the black mamba!

      • Ammiller5421

        he included the years kobe was 18, 19. not subracted.

        maybe we should put 0’s in the years where jordan was on vacation.
        kobe could use a break like that, he’s already almost got as many years in the league as jordan.

        jordan wasnt even as good as reggie miller. if reggie had the defensive tools behind him jordan had, the bulls wouldnt have won 6 championships. reggie took the pacers to the finals by himself for the most part. he had a guys starting that were 3rd string on other teams.
        reggie never gets recognition. a guy who played 4th string behind him got in the hof before he did.

        the basketball world is ignorant and run by who has the money, not the skill.

      • Ammiller5421

        he included the years kobe was 18, 19. not subracted.

        maybe we should put 0’s in the years where jordan was on vacation.
        kobe could use a break like that, he’s already almost got as many years in the league as jordan.

        jordan wasnt even as good as reggie miller. if reggie had the defensive tools behind him jordan had, the bulls wouldnt have won 6 championships. reggie took the pacers to the finals by himself for the most part. he had a guys starting that were 3rd string on other teams.
        reggie never gets recognition. a guy who played 4th string behind him got in the hof before he did.

        the basketball world is ignorant and run by who has the money, not the skill.

      • Ammiller5421

        he included the years kobe was 18, 19. not subracted.

        maybe we should put 0’s in the years where jordan was on vacation.
        kobe could use a break like that, he’s already almost got as many years in the league as jordan.

        jordan wasnt even as good as reggie miller. if reggie had the defensive tools behind him jordan had, the bulls wouldnt have won 6 championships. reggie took the pacers to the finals by himself for the most part. he had a guys starting that were 3rd string on other teams.
        reggie never gets recognition. a guy who played 4th string behind him got in the hof before he did.

        the basketball world is ignorant and run by who has the money, not the skill.

  • Prince James

    @ Guy R.
    I see your stats don’t include awards and trophies which lean heavily towards Jordan.

  • Guy R.

    Awards and trophies don’t mean squat! They are often a popularity contest. Are you going to tell me Steve Nash deserves more MVP’s than either Kobe or Shaq.

    Michael Jordan is the only all time great when he leaves his team the other players shot better. Check it out. When Wilt, Magic, Bird, etc. left their teams the other players suffered.

    • john jones

      @Guy R.,

      The mark of a true leader, is when they leave, their teammates continue to function at a high level, although they cannot make up for his absence. That’s what happened when Jordan left the Bulls. His high level of leadership and standards for excellence caused the Bulls to still put out great performances, although Jordan’s absence kept them from championships. Wilt was dominant because he was 7 feet tall in a league where the average center was 6’8″. Magic and Bird had better players, but Jordan showed himself to be a better leader. He started with less and ended up with more, much more than those two splendid players.

  • Burrr

    Come now people why would even post this. MJ WILL ALWAYS BE THE GREATES IN NBA HISTORY. don’t get me wrong Kobe is dirty I’m mean dirty. Dirty like when yu roll pile of dirt. Lol naa but that nigga nasty but not better than MJ but is better than lebron

  • Burrr

    Dag sonn. I respect yu for 4 puttin all those stats up but dag. Lol

  • sen

    @Guy R First of all, you LOGIC about comparing their stats by taking away kobes 1st 2 years as rookie is cocky but not an accepted move( good try though) you only proved bryant as a dumber player by choosing to play young in the NBA when he is not yet ready. While on the other hand Jordan took his NCAA and Team USA to championships when he is not yet an NBA player so my point is, you wouldn’t know shit if Jordan averaged 40 p/pg in the NBA if he decided to join the league at 18-19.

    Your logic is busted and unacceptable, CAREER STATS are there for a purpose, and besides KOBE is still playing today with only 32 GAMES left to officially match all of MJ’s GAMES PLAYED with the opportunity to play more games than MJ after this season, now let me see him reach all MJ’s achievements in 5 more yrs, when it is obvious he is already declining. It will only further the gap of his CAREER STATS with MJ’s the more he push his luck after this year.

    ACCEPT IT – kobe can’t average 30 – 6 – 6- 2 a game even in this kind of today’s WEAK DEFENSE. And he needs a lot more than those figures to equal Jordan’s Career Average with their GAMES PLAYED almost the same.

  • sen

    Oh and if you still your logic is acceptable, then I would say that it is also acceptable to say that JORDAN would have had 8 rings if he did not retire in HIS PRIME back in 93 and would have been 12 scoring champ, maybe 7 MVP’s and a couple of other additional achievements in his STATS like when he continued it when he returned.

    You see whatever kind of distorted LOGIC you try to justify kobe’ s greatness over MJ’s in the end the OFFICIAL RECORDS would just squash them.

    Better just accept it than humiliated.

  • Guy R.

    @ sen

    Jordan would da, should da, could da won more rings. But he DID NOT. You know what else he will NEVER do. He will never hit 13 three pointers in 1 game, score 81 points in 1 game, outscore an entire team 62-61 by the 3rd quarter, hit 6 game winners in 1 season, make seven Finals appearances, or hit as many game winners for a career (34) as Kobe Bean Bryant.

    You helped prove my point by the way. Kobe was so good he got drafted at seventeen years of age out of high school and poor Jordan had to wait until after college to be drafted.

    How come you never responded to my stats showing that Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan? Did I STUMP YOU?

    • Jamie Jones

      @Guy R.,

      Incase you were wondering why people have called you ‘slow’, or ‘developmentally challenged’ your whole life. Or maybe why you sometimes wake up and think ‘why do people think i’m an idiot’, please refer to the RTG stats above for a thorough explanation.

      I’m pretty sure his extensive stats, trump the few minor and cosmetic stats you put up on why Kobe is better than Jordan.

      Do me one favor. Promise me you’ll ACTUALLY read the stats RTG put up. Because clearly you didn’t before you wrote your post, or else you are seriously delusional.

      Citing 3 great games where Kobe played well doesn’t make a player great for his career. It just makes you look silly for even saying so. TMAC once had 60+ points in less than 3 quarters. Does that make him better than Jordan too?

      P.S. Although Kobe has 34 game winners, he is only a 27% shooter in game winning shot attempts. Jordan hit 56% of the game winning shots he attempted in his career. So answer me this: Based on their percentages, if you were a coach, who would you rather have shooting the game winning shot?

      If you say Kobe, you are clearly slower than I thought with this whole math/stats thing.

      • OFK

        @Jamie Jones,

        That 56% was probably on a bunch of nobodies and shorter players that guarded JorDON. Also they were probably shorter shots!!! Big Deal ! Kobe is busting beyond 3’s in there grill !!

        I don’t care how many mvp’s or scoring titles MJ has. I can just say Kobe’s GAME is way better than MJ. Now if you can’t see that, your obviously just a FAN !

    • dqoolist1

      @Guy R.,

    • dqoolist1

      @Guy R., you’re an idiot! I’m 10 and I know that Michael Jordan is way better than kobe!

  • Guy R.

    @James Jones

    OK That stat you put up with Jordan hitting 56% of his game winning shots is a outright lie AND YOU KNOW IT. It does not even make sense. A career 50% field goal shooter hits 56% of the most difficult shot to take. If you believe that I’ve got some swampland in Florida I would like to sell you. The play-by-play of a game was not taken in all games until part way through Jordan’s career. So there is no way of knowing how many game-winning shots he took.Jordan only took about 4 game-winners a year. COME ON! Jordan may have taken as many as 100 during his career. If your going to battle with me you better KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!

    And you STILL did not respond to my stats showing that Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan made his teammates. That is a WAY MORE impressive stat than anything RTG brought up. Did I STUMP YOU ALSO? Just admit that I AM RIGHT.

    • James Jones

      @Guy R., You still didn’t both looking at the stats above that RTG posted did you? Can you not read or do you really just enjoy ignoring people who oppose your view so that you can always feel that you are right when you are really an idiot. Play by play of games doesn’t mean anything. Box scores and stats of gone back long before the start of Jordan’s career. If you really want a true measure of all the statistical variables, check basketball-reference.com. Would you agree that the Player Efficiency Rating is a good tool for measuring who is the most efficient player? If so, Jordan’s career 27 efficiency rating murders Kobe’s career 23 efficiency rating:

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

  • Guy R.

    @ James Jones

    P.S. One website says Jordan himself admits to missing more game winners than he actually made.They said he missed at least 40 game-winners. I no math genius like you MR. JONES but I think that makes Jordan’s game winner percentage a lot less than 56%.

    • James Jones

      @Guy R., Some website? Which one? are they reputable? Also, an opinion means nothing, give us some stats to prove it. That’s the problem with Kobe fans, they ignore the hard facts and make things up to make it seem like Kobe can even hold a candle to Jordan.

      By making teammates better do you actually mean, underperforming in big games and being outscored by his teammates? With a terrible shooting percentage and very few assists? Not what i’d call making your teammates better. More like getting bailed out by teammates.

    • James Jones

      @Guy R., Oh yeah, and check out the basketball encyclopedia stats on the Kobe vs. Jordan Debate. Since you won’t look at the RTG stats above, go right to the source:

      http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/kobevsjordan.htm

  • Guy R.

    @ James Jones

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Who is making up things HERE? RTG states in his stats that Jordan made 33 game winners in his career. Go to ANY reliable website with a list of Jordan’s game winners and only 22 are listed. 28 Jordan game winners if you count those won by free throws. The fact that RTG made this number of game winners up makes his whole list of stats unreliable. Kobe has 34 game winners and will likely add to that list before his career ends. He will totally eclipse Jordan’s 28 game winners.

    By the way, that argument you gave me for why Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan is one of WEAKEST ARGUMENTS I have ever heard. I expected a better fight out of you. You can do better than that.

    • James Jones

      @Guy R., where are you getting your source for 22 game winners vs. 34? Give a reliable source please.

    • @Guy R., Dude, I’m not about to get into the whole who is better than who argument, because you can not compare the two at all. Numbers don’t lie, statistically Jordan was a better player period, but that was then. Comparing another sport, do you think that Joe Montana could play the way he did in today’s NFL, HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But do you think that we would have sucked? Now he may have not have been the player that he was, but he still would have been great, talent is talent; and when you got it you got it. But to answer your question, the reason that Bulls’ players got better when Jordan left, was because they were shooting the ball more. Any idiot could see that and understand that. Jordan’s court presence was absent so who had to pick up the slack, other players. If Kobe left today I bet that the rest of the Lakers’ teams stats would go up too. I’m not saying that I think MJ is the best player of all time, and I am not saying I think Kobe is either; simply stating that all of you are comparing apples to oranges.

  • Guy R.

    @ Jame Jones

    You want some facts. You said Kobe has a low field goal percentage. What many people fail to look at is the stat of points per field goal attempt.

    Jordan averaged 1.316 points per field goal attempt in his career. Kobe averaged 1.312 points per field goal attempt in this career. On average, Jordan for every 20 shot attempts he scored 26.3 points in his career. Kobe averages 26.2 points per 20 shot attempts. That is basically even.This is my source:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/311555-why-kobejordan-debate-is-closer-than-it-seems

    • James Jones

      @Guy R., you are quoting Bleacher Report as a source? Seriously? You realize that Bleacher Report is just a site where any fan can sign up and start writing articles. Its not an actual legitimate news source. If you wanted you could sign up and start writing on Bleacher report within the hour. Would that make you a quotable or reliable source? No, it would make you just another fan with an opinion. That reference you gave didn’t even reference any legitimate sources for the stats. Could be all made up for all you know. If you want legit stats go to basketball-reference.com. Blogs are great for discussion and opinion, I have nothing against them, that’s why I read this site. Good entertainment and breaking news, but can not be considered a reliable source for stats.

      And points per field goal attempt is affected largely by free throws. With the rules changing in early 2000’s to ban hand checking on the perimeter and tightening up the rules to benefit slashing guards who you can’t even look at them without a foul call when they take it to the basket, Kobe gets a bunch of free throw points off ticky tack fouls. Imagine Jordan played in this era of rules. He was ten times the slasher that Kobe is. He would be scoring way more points per field goal attempt.

  • Guy R.

    @ James Jones

    I found a website in tribute to Michael Jordan that credits him with 33 game winners. Only problem with their list is that they double counted some of his game winners from February 16,1989 through November 13,1990. That is a total of 5 incorrect additions. So he really only has only 28 game winners. DON’T BELIEVE ME! Go check it out for yourself This is the website:

    http://www.23jordan.com/shots3.htm

    This is an accurate list of Jordan’s game winners:

    http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?p=2986516

  • Guy R.

    @ James Jones

    P.S. Since Jordan officially only had 22 game winners by field goals. How can he be 33 for 58 with a 56% field goal percentage like RTG claims? GET MY POINT! I really do my homework. YOU NEED TO DO THE SAME!

  • Guy R.

    @ James Jones

    I said that Jordan averaged 1.316 points per field goal attempt in his career. Kobe averaged 1.312 points per field goal attempt in his career. On average, Jordan scored 26.3 points per 20 shot attempts. Kobe averages 26.2 points per 20 shot attempts. You questioned whether this was correct and asked for a legitimate website. You even tried to say points per field goal attempt is affected largely by free throws. And you even questioned my math skills. YOU IDIOT! Let me give you a simple lesson in math. I took Calculus in school by the way. I don’t have to go to another website to determine if that the math was correct. JUST DO THE MATH YOURSELF!

    Kobe has 18162 field goal attempts in his career( not including 2009-2010 since that article is one year old) and has scored 23828 points. Jordan has 24536 field goal attempts in his career and has scored 32292 points.

    Take 18162 times 1.312 = 23820 (for Kobe’s stats)
    Take 24536 times 1.316 = 32289(for Jordan’s stats)

    So the math on that website was absolutely CORRECT. CLASS IS NOW DISMISSED!

    That article is a year old

    • Ibnoxious

      @Guy R., Still 0.004 of a difference is very big specially if you crunch those numbers that way MATH WIZARD. LOL! It involves a lot of field goal attempts, a lot field goals made. I would assume that a lot of players past and future would have numbers close to the per field goal attempts of both kobe and jordan. But that is not the difference maker. At the end of the day achievements would make the difference. And nobody so far dominated the game of basketball like michael jordan did.
      And please dont say that jordan did not have competition during his day. A lot tried, and I do not even have to mention names, you know them and all of them failed. Total dominance, that was Michael Jordan. Which Kobe failed to do. And who’s the GOAT?

  • Dave Bhatt

    I believe both Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan defined the game of basketball. However, Kobe “The Black Mamba” Bryant is the greatest, because Phil Jackson said Kobe Bryant is a better player and also because he scored 81-points, which Jordan never has.

    Additionally, I think Jordan’s era was easier than today. Today, a team is allowed to double team, triple team a player to stop him from scoring. In MJ’s, it was mainly one-on-one. Kobe’s ability to score in traffic sets him apart from MJ and establishes him as a better offensive player.

    • john jones

      @Dave Bhatt,

      ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!! Players couldn’t double team in Jordan’s day? What the heck have you been smokin?!!! The Jordan Rules was a complicated system of double and triple teaming Jordan to get the ball out of his hands. The Pistons, who developed these rules, held Jordan to 21 points per in their playoff series matchup. They pushed, shoved, bruised, bloodied, and beat Jordan up. I remember seeing him bleeding from the nose, and also remember the report about his bruised ribs. They could NEVER get away with that stuff today. They can’t even freakin’ hand check!!!

    • @Dave Bhatt,
      You are a retard and must have never watched the sport when Jordan played. I’m sure the double team has been around since before Jordan’s Days. You sir, have by far made yourself appear to be the dumbest man on this blog. And there are 10 year olds making comments that hold more merit than you dumb statements.

      • D

        @C Money, What I meant to say was that back in the day, men were more egoistically playing one-on-one, while today coaches value ego less. They worry more about strategies. For example, if a team needs to double-team an opponent, they will. Back in the day, it was all about man-to-man.

        However, you’re right. I never watched ball in those days. So, I did appear dumb. My apologies for less-credible comment.

        But C-Money, I would like you to check out that interview by Phil Jackson. He explicitly claims Kobe Bryant is a more talented player.

    • byrdman27

       the Bad Boy Pistons created a defense specifically to stop Jordan… they triple and double teamed with hand checking and very loose foul calling. 81 points? yeah… on the freakin raptors. if jordan played that team with the new rules he wouldve got near triple digits.

  • eric

    in terms of achievments MJ was better. but who is better at basketball? kobe… kobe plays in a league where almost everyone is a freak athlete. MJ played in a league where he was THE freak athlete…

    • john jones

      @eric,
      How old are you guys, anyway? Did you even watch Michael play? How are you gonna slight athletes like Dominique Wilkins, Kenny (Sky) Walker, Isaiah Thomas, who dunked over two 7 footers, at 6’1″, Dennis Rodman, 7’8″ Shawn Bradley, Hakeem Olajuwon, who was the most talented big man to play in the NBA, .(Watch him destroy Shaq in the’94 finals), and Gary Payton? The players were tougher, more defensive-minded, and had more freedom to stop high scorers like Jordan. Imagine if there were Kobe rules. He would wilt and wither.

      • @john jones,
        Fantastically spoken my friend. I believe that there are alot of people here arguing solely on stats, and have never ever ever ever seen a real JORDAN game, or any basketball game in the era

    • Todd

      @0d7333f7cab127a1ed553e562234e384:disqus I grew up watching Jordan and have watched Kobe from the moment he got in the league. Both have things they do better. I think Kobe is a pure shooter and has better range than Jordan and because of this settles for a lot of jump shots.

      Jordan was by far the better ALL AROUND PLAYER… Jordan was more physical, had a better inside game and short range shot and drove to the basket a lot more, hence the better shooting percentages. Jordan also played a lot harder than Kobe does, especially on defense. That is where Jordan differentiates himself from Kobe. Jordan was night in and night out the best player on the floor because he shined on both offense and defense. He always outplayed everyone and thats why he has so many MVP awards.

      If Jordan was in the league right now while in his prime, he would be THE dominant player, better than Kobe and LeBron hands down. He would beat both of them on the offensive and defensive end o the floor. MJ could defend both of those guys well, but they WOULD not be able to defend MJ… he would take them to the hoop and score every time. He’s too quick and too creative.

  • dnice81

    To add on to that if u put dwight howard in the 90 s he s a top 5 center not the best center in the nba. The dream,shaq,ewing,robinson all had a better all around game and a 40yr old shaq I’m finding a hard time naming ten centers now that are better.and about mj playing shorter guys kobe played against AI in a finals or eric snow 6 3, mike bibby yes mike bibby was who the kings would have guard kobe frequently for quite a few yrs, ray allen is shorter than russell he held kobe to 42 percent from the field and he s old and kobe was only 31. “MJ scored 41 of his teams first 83 points and in this exact sequence with 40 secs left in game 6 of nba finals at age 36 jordan goes coast to coast for a layup then steals the ball from malone goes down court and hits the game winner without a teammate touching the ball.”(billsimmons) And remember this is against a team that beat the lakers which had shaq,kobe,fisher,rick fox who was an allstar before he went to la. So kobe was young not a rookie 2nd or 3rd yr but jordan was old. And to end this jordan kobe talk jordan was the best player on a team that went 6-0 in nba finals won mvp at 36 and lead the league in scoring that yr. Kobe is 32 and will never lead the nba in scoring again not that he did that many times 3 to be exact. Kobe was the second best player for 3 of his rings and the yr shaq was getting older and kobe is the man he barely shoots 40 percent and lakers lose to huge under dogs pistons hmm next try with no shaq but with two allstars as side kicks odom gasol and him as hero he again shoots barely 40 percent and gets badly outplayed by pierce mvp who took it upon himself to guard kobe because allen wasn’t doing the do. You saw it and while I was watching that I said paul pierce wouldn’t even think about saying I’m going to guard a 29 yr old jordan I play the 3 spot. Game over!

  • Ck

    ha i love MJ but if you look at his era he didn’t have competition like Kobe does… don’t get me wrong im just saying that now of days there is at least one good play if not more on an nba team back then that wasn’t the case. So of course Kobe wouldn’t be able to hav achievements like MJ did. Of course you would have old timers come on here and say are you serious but as we proceed in time ppl get better and stronger and players now of days are bigger and more athletic than they ever was.

    • dnice81

      @Ck, respect ur thinking but its off mj at 40,41yrs old in kobe s era still averaged 21.5 points 5.8 rebounds, 4.5 assists, .5 blocks and 1.5 steals and that’s at 40 and 41 in the kobe s era so u need to chill out on all that he did it against lesser ballers shit ball was better in mid 80s thru mid 90s All that talk is crazy if u haven’t forgot 2008 dream team with all these supposedly stronger faster guys lost to a bunch of foreign white boys! Dwight howard would crack the top ten centers of jordans era but he s the best center in kobe s era execpt oldshaq by the time kobe played against him. hakeem, shaq,kareem,moses,robinson,ewing all better for sure then he d be a toss between alonzo and him alonzo had a better post games could get u as many boards and probaly more blocks a faced better centers hands down. Dwight is like shawn kemp if u unlesahed a prime kemp in dwights time. Not to mention no hand check rule that makes the game easier for premieter players. U got ur facts all mixed up I ll start thinkin guys are more athlethic when someone can jump past the free throw line and dunk even white boy brent berry could do it in jordans day.

    • Todd

      If Jordan was in the league right now while in his prime, he would be
      THE dominant player, better than Kobe and LeBron hands down. He would
      beat both of them on the offensive and defensive end o the floor. MJ
      could defend both of those guys well, but they WOULD not be able to
      defend MJ… he would take them to the hoop and score every time. He’s
      too quick and too creative. His defense sets him apart and makes him the better all around player. Any coach given the opportunity to choose any player in history to be on their team… #1 choice Michael Jordan my friend.

  • Ibnoxious

    FOR KOBE FANS OUT THERE! Kobe’s game is a Jordan replica. Majority of his moves where taken from the jordan playbook. I hate seeing his game. No originality. He brought nothing new to the game. To become truly one the greats you have to bring something to the game. Much the same as Magic and Larry Bird did. And much the same as Michael Jordan did. Copy cats are the worst. They could never become far greater than the original. That’s why I loved Shaq, Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson. They brought something to the game, never before seen or long forgotten. Thats why I like players of today as kevin durant, blake griffin and lebron james. They have something different from Michael Jordan. And that what makes players become one of the greats. If you have something to contribute to the game and dominate with it. All kobe had was a copy cat game, and a great organization in the lakers, nothing else.

  • mel

    i agree with u ibnoxious.. hes nothing compared to the greatest of all time mj the air.. his iconic logo the jump man stands a lifetime.. he keeps on copying mj moves.. he perfected it thats why people compared him to his airness. but not even close he keeps on copying but not quite compared to the original

  • NK

    This argument is ridiculous. Go ask Kobe, see if he thinks he’s become better than Jordan. Idiot.

  • Walter Goethel

    KOBE rapes women.
    JORDAN rapes defenses.
    KOBE flops and fakes fouls(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jXZY3YeYD0&feature=related).
    JORDAN takes it and then shoves it down their throats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxG6F8qKsoQ).
    And what idiot said there wasnt a double team during Jordan’s era???…please never post here again

  • Ty

    Ok number one. Kobe scored 81 points all fun and games right? This proves he does what he does every game… he is a ball hog. If you play good hard team basketball no one is ever going to score 81 points.

    As far as the athletes discussion is concerned yes every guy who hits the floor today is an athlete, but there are some problems. Referees today seem to have competition amongst themselves to see who can blow the whistle the most. Basketball can be a very physical defensive minded sport. Today basketball has turned into a run and gun scoring minded sport there is an infatuation with scoring so its what guys want to do now. Nobody really turns into a superstar quietly defending his heart out. Great defense is sometimes quiet unnoticed.

    The greatest athletes aren’t always the greatest defenders. You question this? Go look at Aaron Craft of the Ohio state Buckeyes. Usually one of the shortest on the floor but always defends his heart out. Defense is effort and scheme and doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with being a great athlete. The guy who is absolutely determined to do anything he can to keep the guy in front of him from scoring will prevail. There aren’t many skills to playing defense you have to be light on your feet and put forth the effort.

  • B-Dubs

    I agree that Jordan is ultimately better, but Kobe’s 3-point game, in my opinion, is superior to that of Jordan’s. Also, remember that Kobe came in straight out of high school and didn’t start for his first two years and wasn’t the number one option on his team really until the 04-05 season after Shaq left, which Jordan had always been the #1 option.
    But regardless of that fact, I would still say Jordan is better.

  • kyle

    the only thing kobe has on MJ is he’s sponsored by nutella

  • Thom

    Michael Jordan is the sort of player that, when you’re trailing by 10, you put him in, and he’ll score 11.

  • Charles

    The reason that MJ will always be better than Kobe is he had all these accomplishments ALONG with a very successful College Career which is something Kobe can never have. Having an NCAA championship and 6 NBA championships on less years than Kobe (Yes he will eventually have played far more than Jordan). I just think that speaks for itself

  • Anonymous

    Pretty tough call to make either way. Yeah, Jordan definitely owns some of these stats and they won’t be broken. But Kobe has the opportunity to surpass him in things such as NBA titles and All-star appearances.

    Personally, I think a big difference between the two is the different generations in which they played. In the NBA now, the players on average are much stronger, faster, and bigger all due to training styles and better overall workout programs. Another important thing to consider about the NBA now is that it has 15 more years of play development. This means that players are learning how to guard these great players more efficiently.

    Obviously you can’t extrapolate from that and say that Kobe would have been better than MJ had they played at the same time, but that would be the only way to truly see who is the best. Unless you had an opportunity to put these two players into the same generation and have them battle it out throughout their careers, there really is no way to tell.

    On another note, I would say they are absolutely equal in their will to win. I’m young, but I’ve seen enough Jordan tapes to compare his assassin’s mentality to Kobe’s on an equal field. I believe that both players possess an equally, unmatched will to win by any other players in NBA history.

  • bernstienw

    it’s kobe. just look at the competition he’s going up against versus the competition that MJ went up against.

  • caution08

    Kobe has 8 all-NBA 1st teams and 8 all-defensive 1st teams not 6. He also has 4 all star MVPs now. This is an interesting piece, but pretty inaccurate. Also, RTG’s comment has so many errors it’s not worth addressing them. I think MJ was better, but Kobe’s longevity should definitely be counted for something. People usually discredit his accomplishments saying he’s had a longer career, but it should only add to his legacy. There are so many factors that go into this argument that it is difficult to say how close these two actually are.

  • copete

    The best compliment you can give a player in the NBA is to just mention him in the same sentence as Michael Jordan. Kobe’s earned the consideration, but that’s it, no one has ever dominated the game like Jordan. He revolutionized and transcended the sport

  • 206justins

    F*** Kobe. He’s a little bitch. MJ fo eva!

  • Ammiller5421

    this is just ignorant.

  • Ammiller5421

    jordan was great, but his greatness has been greatly exaggerated.

    the two players are in different eras, on different teams.

    the two cannot be compared.

    • Anonymous

      You’re right different eras. Kobe is lucky enough to play in an era when there is no handchecking allowed on the perimeter and the rules now favor guards who get to the free throw line on almost every drive to the hoop. Considering Jordan’s style of play, he would have probably increased his scoring averages by 5-10 points per game in the modern era.

      Jordan already blows kobe’s scoring averages out of the water as it is. Imagine with no handchecking defense. Glad you brought up the differences in the era’s.

      • Jon

        Zone buddy. Its alot harder to score 1 on 1 on a zone, that and I can easily say that Kobe is the least protected “star” when it comes to driving to the hope. With a zone in place and contact on every drive to the basket its probably pretty hard to score yet he still scores his 25.

        I’m not saying Kobe is better than Jordan but I get annoyed with ppl just ignoring some pretty big changes in the game. No need to discredit what Kobe has done to make the Jordan Myth bigger than what it already is

  • Ammiller5421

    so tired of how everything in the NBA is compared to jordan… he barely has half of russell’s championships. jordan=6 russell=11

    bill russell was the greatest player EVER they changed the very dimensions of the floor because of him. changed rules because of him.

    jordan holds no records, at least no major records. he’s not even the best of his era.

    reggie miller scored more in his career.

    karl malone did too.

    david robinson had more points in a one game than jordan ever had.

    kobe plays against guys like durant and lebron, 2 freaks of nature.

    jordan had no such competition.

    thing is, kobe has still come the closest to wilts 100.

    • Anonymous

      Jordan holds no records? LOL

      How about the highest per season scoring average in NBA history, and the highest NBA Finals scoring average ever. Considering he has 6 championships, and won 100% of the time he made it to the finals, always finals MVP, and the highest finals scoring average ever, i’d say that is THE most MAJOR records.

      Sure Wilt scored 100 once, and Kobe scored 81 in a meaningless game against the Raptors. But where a champion is made and greatness is measured is during the NBA Finals where the games actually mean something.

      P.S. i’m intrigued by the Bill Russell GOAT comment. I tend to agree that you can’t argue with championships and i’d be willing to discuss and have that debate about Russell being the true GOAT.

      But also keep in mind Russell played in an era where there were a helluva lot less teams in the league to compete against for the championship. And he also played with many HOF players on those 8 straight championship teams.

      Agree he’s great, recognize the feat of 11 chips….but still have to lean towards Jordan as the GOAT given his skill level.

  • Ammiller5421

    dont get me wrong, jordan was great. absolutely great… but not the greatest. not even close.

    if you think so, actually learn the history of the game. there were many greater players before and after jordan.

    also; if you think jordan is the greatest, learn the rules of basketball. watch his tapes, he traveled a ton, pushed off a ton.

    like i said, jordan was great. he just wasnt as great as the basketball world gives him credit for.

    why not compare jordan and iverson?

    • Anonymous

      So if Jordan isn’t the greatest of all-time then who is? And lets assume he isn’t the greatest, the point of the graphic is to compare Jordan and Kobe and to show just how great Jordan was in comparison to Kobe. Not much of a contest really. But i’m all ears to discuss who is better than Jordan as he’s widely accepted by anyone close to the game as the GOAT.

  • Ammiller5421

    many of the stats on this page are averages, which can be misleading.

    score 50 one game and 10 the next, thats 30 ppg

    kobe has more skill, he has a better outside shot.

    how many championships did jordan have at 31 years old? i dont know, i’m just wondering.

    jordan had pippen to differ the defense, kobe hasn’t had that kind of perimeter support.

    odom is good, but he’s no pippen.

    kobe is defended by freaks of nature like durant and lebron.

    jordan played in an era where there wasnt that much perimeter talent.

    i have feeling had magic not contracted aids, we wouldnt be having this conversation.

    bill russell is the greatest of all time, not only player but man in the nba

    he won 11 championships, and i think 4 of those were as a player coach

    , the first black coach in the nba

    the lane was widened because of him, goal tending made a violation.

    unlike jordan, he holds actual records.

    wilt chamberlain can make a case for the greatest

    his scoring was prolific, he scored 100 in a game i think jordans highest was 63 (kobes is 81

    like jordan, wilt left after his 3rd year in college but wasnt allowed to play in the nba

    he was a globetrotter… the first globetrotter to have his number retired.

    he was also a prolific shot blocker and rebounder.

    when it comes to the 4th quarter, reggie was the greatest… thats just my opinion, but his feats make a very good case for this.

    dont get me wrong, jordan was great and i grew up wanting to be like mike. then i read more into the actual history of the game and realized that jordan is just one of many greats. when their feats are actually measured up against each other jordan doesnt stick out all that much.

    jordans style was very similar to dr. j’s, so he’s not even original. he is the greatest of that athletic penetration type guard. the most similar to jordan style play in the game now is dwayne wade and dwade does a darn good job. guys like kobe, vince carter and jason richardson are and evolution of this style. these players have great range with their athleticism.

    and the grafic says who’s the greatest, my point is that neither can be seen as the greatest.

    • dnice81

      Holly ish I can’t believe u just said kobe didn’t have the perimeter support jordan had like that’s a big deal. How bout jordan didn’t have the interior support kobe had! Before we compare teammates let’s remember he was a role player on first championship 4th yr in league. Side kick the next two and when he was supposed to be the number one guy what happened against pistons in finals he shot 38percent for the series not a game series! While shaq put up great numbers and well over 50% from field in same finals kobe just wanted mvp more than the ring that’s why they lost! Kobe is the ultimate me first guy and has never been good enough to be that guy. And pippen needs to remember what happened in 98 finals he reinjured his back on first play of game 6 went on to score8points struggled on d and what does jordan score 41 of teams first 83points down by 3 with 40secs left jordan goes coast to coast layup,then steals the ball from malone and hits game winner at 35yrs old! When going got tough he got tougher! Kobe as leader of lakers on 4 apeareances is 2-2 and never played a game close to that period!

  • You think coaches today aren’t worried about ego’s? I think ego’s are way bigger now than they were back in Jordan’s day. Has there ever been a player that devoted a 1 hour special to tell people where he was going to sign as a free agent?

    Also on Phil Jackson, take it for what it’s worth, but who plays for him right now? You don’t think that if he coached Jordan now and Kobe in the past he wouldn’t say that Jordan is the better player right now?

  • Soccergirlie003

    i think it’s pretty obvious. MJ

  • bignasty

    Unfortunately we cannot fully compare the two. In the 27 years since MJ was drafted into the League the game has changed. Anyone who watches it regularly can tell that. The game today is much more physical, as an example, and because the game has changed, it throws too many variables in the mix to fully be able to compare the two players. All we can say is that they truly are great players and I enjoyed watching MJ and now enjoy watching Kobe.

    As a side note the same thing goes with comparing King James and MJ. 

    • byrdman27

      the game is much less physical now actually

  • Shaibani

    Michael Jordan is the GOAT. No contest. 

  • Warapyall

    Ummm, i still have doubts… xD

  • Thats a stupid question, it will always be Jordan. Sorry, but that man is single-handedly the greatest NBA player of all time.

  • Thats a stupid question, it will always be Jordan. Sorry, but that man is single-handedly the greatest NBA player of all time.

  • go jordan cant no 1 beat em dont kno y ppl keep lookin jus like there will never be another tupac or biggie

    • Ammiller5421

      comparing him to tupac and biggie would imply that he was original. jordan was not, he copied his game from one dr. j (julius erving). the man said so himself. the greatest is bill russell, more championships more records. he was also the first black coach in the nba and also the first black coach to win a championship, he did that as a player coach. jordan could do nothing but jump high and run fast. he’s not even a top 5 player. the greats dont take breaks, jordan took 2. bill russell will be the greatest until someone else gets over 10 championships. basketball is a team sport, and russell’s celtics won 11 of 12 championships. if you dont think thats the greatest, you need to know what great is.

      compared to kobe, mj was better but only marginally. both players had the advantage of having the greatest coach in nba history, phil jackson. neither won a championship without him, im pretty sure.

    • Ammiller5421

      comparing him to tupac and biggie would imply that he was original. jordan was not, he copied his game from one dr. j (julius erving). the man said so himself. the greatest is bill russell, more championships more records. he was also the first black coach in the nba and also the first black coach to win a championship, he did that as a player coach. jordan could do nothing but jump high and run fast. he’s not even a top 5 player. the greats dont take breaks, jordan took 2. bill russell will be the greatest until someone else gets over 10 championships. basketball is a team sport, and russell’s celtics won 11 of 12 championships. if you dont think thats the greatest, you need to know what great is.

      compared to kobe, mj was better but only marginally. both players had the advantage of having the greatest coach in nba history, phil jackson. neither won a championship without him, im pretty sure.

    • Ammiller5421

      comparing him to tupac and biggie would imply that he was original. jordan was not, he copied his game from one dr. j (julius erving). the man said so himself. the greatest is bill russell, more championships more records. he was also the first black coach in the nba and also the first black coach to win a championship, he did that as a player coach. jordan could do nothing but jump high and run fast. he’s not even a top 5 player. the greats dont take breaks, jordan took 2. bill russell will be the greatest until someone else gets over 10 championships. basketball is a team sport, and russell’s celtics won 11 of 12 championships. if you dont think thats the greatest, you need to know what great is.

      compared to kobe, mj was better but only marginally. both players had the advantage of having the greatest coach in nba history, phil jackson. neither won a championship without him, im pretty sure.

  • go jordan cant no 1 beat em dont kno y ppl keep lookin jus like there will never be another tupac or biggie

  • Lebron James

    who ever made this , ur a idiot … why doesnt kobe have the # 8 in his bio also… oh forgot about that

  • Schneids15

    they have michaels jersey number right but kobe wore number 8! people forgot already?!

  • Schneids15

    they have michaels jersey number right but kobe wore number 8! people forgot already?!

  • Zpoole

    Maybe it should be taken into account that Jordan’s team only started winning during the 90s, one of the weakest eras of basketball ever and Kobe’s playing in one of the toughest.

  • Awec

    no questions asked… jordan.

  • volleyball_girl897

    you can see that michael jordan is clearly better than kobe bryant. i mean come on. seriously people?

  • volleyball_girl897

    you can see that michael jordan is clearly better than kobe bryant. i mean come on. seriously people?

  • volleyball_girl897

    you can see that michael jordan is clearly better than kobe bryant. i mean come on. seriously people?

  • volleyball_girl897

    you can see that michael jordan is clearly better than kobe bryant. i mean come on. seriously people?

  • volleyball_girl897

    you can see that michael jordan is clearly better than kobe bryant. i mean come on. seriously people?

  • Theetonyt

    MJ was an incredible talent but the game has completely changed from when he played to now. Kobe has to play in a league that is filled with more athleticism and talent than there was in Jordan’s era. Nearly every team has a “superstar” in the league today and that make the competition way more intense and challenging. Im not saying Kobe or Jordan is better but I am saying the league has become more resilient to players being able to just dominate every second of every game. Look at Lebron, he is possibly the most athletic and all around talented player to ever play the game but he still can’t find a way to win a ring…..even with two other phenomenal players on his team.

    • Anonymous

      That is a ridiculous statement to say that players today are more athletic than when Jordan was playing. You’ll need to show some proof, otherwise its just an opinion. And there are many people around to watch both era’s that would say Jordan’s era the players were more all around athletic and less specialists.
      That said, it’s undisputed that the rule changes in the modern era like the ‘no hand checking’ on the perimeter have had a postiive impact on guards ability to score. Given Jordan’s style of play and how he no only got hand checked by defenders but literally got hammered taking the ball to the rim, you have to realize Jordan would have dominated in today’s game vs. the 80’s and 90’s.

  • There is no comparison between the two, :)

  • KDFTW

    I can’t believe people think it’s even a contest.  It’s not MJ is the king.  Plain and simple.  But to update this picture.  Kobe was also number 8 at the beginning of his career and number 10 in the ’08 olympics.  Not sure if he was any other numbers, but you have all of MJ’s numbers so for the sake of completeness those could be added.

  • You could say that the people Kobe plays aginst are far better/proficient defenders. Im not saying this is thrue but its not fair to comopare only on paper.

    • Anonymous

      Actually you couldn’t say that at all. Because of the rule changes not allowing for handchecking on the perimeter, defenses and defenders were far more proficient defenders when Jordan played. That is why conventional wisdom says if Jordan played in this era his point production and success would have been even greater than it was. Not less. Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry Torch 9800

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  • Christian

    The biggest argument for this topic is that they were in two completely different era’s. If you put Kobe in Jordan’s era, he would shine brighter, if you put Jordan in this era, he wouldn’t do nearly as good. The players now are bigger, faster, stronger, and better. It is hard to make an accurate comparison because of this fact. Both are great players.

  • Chrisjh

    agree with rick.  though kobe is with out a doubt an exceptional player. best in the league right now. compred to jordan, there is no comparrison. jorand will triumph over any other player. and please people dont try to through lebron into it. sure hes good. but nowhere close to jordan and he def is under kobe. reason why this thing was made about kobe and jordan instead of lebron, biggest ball hog and ego ever.

  • Bkmeurer

    Kobe is a bitch because he won’t play in the NBA because they don’t pay him enough. He is receiving $600,000 per game outside the U.S. The greater player is the one who plays for the love of the game, not just the money. Also, all of the temper tantrums kobe had on the court in all of his years don’t enforce a role of an idol.

    • tez

      correction dumb ass.. the nba is on hold so he went to play elsewhere…
      BECAUSE HE LOVES THE GAME…[email protected]:disqus you’re a bitch

  • theoneandonlyMJ23

    @Ammiller5421 Everyone hates you cuz ur a dumbass.. how does it feel to have possibly said the dumbest comment in the history of earth?

  • unknown

    No one thinks about how the game has changed. You cant compare the two because the game has changed so much. MJ would kill anyone if they had to play like they did in his time. Now if you so much as sneeze on a guy he’s going to the line. Travalling doesnt exist anymore, you can pick up your dribble at the 3 point line and walk to the basket. All i’m saying is that stats can be miss leading and i doubt it would be even as close as it is if the game had changed as much as it has

  • The game is much faster today than it was 20 years ago bud.

  • Lil_balla13

    The NBA is way harder now than it was when jordan was playing i doubt mj would be as dominant now as he was then but if you put kobe in his time frame it would be complete domination like mvp every year championship every year with out a doubt

  • Lil_balla13

    The NBA is way harder now than it was when jordan was playing i doubt mj would be as dominant now as he was then but if you put kobe in his time frame it would be complete domination like mvp every year championship every year with out a doubt

    • Anonymous

      Why do you think its harder now? Most would agree that the rule changes now that prevent hand checking on the perimeter, and the clamping down on any contact of players once they are airborn favors guards in the modern game vs. guards in Jordan’s era.
      Some have even said, based on Jordan’s slashing style from the early part of his career he would have averaged 50 pts a game instead of mid 30’s when you factor in all the free throws he would be shooting.

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  • Mikepage239

    Well MJ it alway has and will always be!

  • MJ.GOAT

    hahah this is hilarious, Kobe better than Jordan? hahahaha . Kobe’s good but hes soft. nobody took contact like mike did. The nba is SOFTTTT. I dint even get to watch Jordan play , but i know Kobe’s got nothing on jordan. People talk about his 81 pt game? damn if Mike played that game with that defense. He would of easily scored over 100. Raptors at the time were like the shittiest defensive team. Put Kobe against the The new york knicks and Detroit pistons denfense that played mike. HAHA Kobe would be crying fuck. You people are too stupid to argue with . Get off Kobe’s dick.

  • Jmarren12

    Jordan is clearly the best.  In 20 years, nobody is going to compare the hot young prospects to Kobe, or to LeBron for that matter.  Jordan will always be the standard by which greatness is measured

  • Chrised94

    i am a die hard laker fan and anyone who says kobe is better is ignorant.

  • kobe is my woman

    81 pts baby!

  • Michael Jordan wins for sure! Its not even an option! Great post! 

    • Anonymous

      Thanks
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  • Lcb13

    mj is the best bball player of all all time no doubt

  • Frederik Wulff

    What really settles this for me is the “Finals MVP” difference between the two. KB loves to win, MJ NEEDS to win!!

  • Jacques

    I’m a huge Kobe fan but from the stats Jordan is better than him, but they are BOTH still goats!!!!

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